This episode Tess Guthrie joined me in the studio. We discover I first heard of Tess many many years ago when my Mum taught her as a substitute teacher when she was in Primary school. We discuss a short period of time going to the same high school and when we performed together in house music. Despite all this we only actually got to know each other this year studying mathematics. We explore Tess’s change from a music lover to a number and philosopher lover. We also talk about our experiences of anxiety and Tess explains how her experience reached a peak during a study trip to China. We discuss Eastern philosophy and how it can help with anxiety issues.